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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:07 am 
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I'm not surprised that the UK came rock bottom.

And Israel SOOOO should have gone to the finals as well as won. But what can I say?

In another note, how many people actually live in Europe and play this game? I mean frequenting the forums too. I can count 2 because I only know of two: Devant and me.


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:22 am 
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:P considering that only 11 persons have ever posted, we Europeans are about 9.5% of the population...:P

Anyway, even if I am in no way fan of Eurovision, I followed the scoring yesterday night and I say that Eurovision exists for all the wrong reasons... Russia votes for Bellarusia, Cyprus for Greece (yes I am Greek, but acting out of concept is wrong, wether it suits me or not), the north countries for the north countries, the east countries for the east countries and UK and Ireland, even if both had very decent songs, were left to the bottom, waaay after all the psychopaths that got voted.

My opinion? Eurovision is not a artistic contest, but isntead, a sociopolitical mechanism with economical implications. Look at the past years. What countries were voted? All those that NEEDED to be voted. In ONE single year, Greece won the Euro in football, the eurovision, the olympics... Greek economy got boosted to the sky due to these events. But in no way the greek team was the best football team, had the best song or had any particular reason to host the olympics (it actually had not even the... establishments to host them, and the construction of them burdened the greek people for the next 10 years in exhausting taxation...). The same happens with serbia now, that is in horrible economical status, the same way that happened/will happen with turkey, bulgaria, albany, F.Y.R.O.M. and other progressing (as opposed to progressed) countries.

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I was going to say that. But in a way that could have been offensive. Now that I know that I'm hopefully not going to offend anybody, I will say what I was going to say. (I hope this isn't offensive...)
If you're reading this, then you are quite inquisitive. :P


THE COLD WAR IS NOT OVER.
There are still several thousand nuclear missiles positioned in countries that used to be taken over by Russia and in Russia itself.. America still has several thousand nuclear warheads. Eastern European countries have warheads. No matter what is said, the world is still in large danger of a nuclear war. More countries have nuclear warheads than in the Cold War and they say that it is over? I think not.
Instead of two superpowers it is the little countries taking over. The western countries vote for the eastern ones simply out of political reasons. There is still tension in the countries even though the politicians have openly denounced that.

Actually, come to think of it, what I said was nothing like what Devant said. But 'what he said' anyway.

But I do have an example of Devant's... matter. Israel's entry was viciously and biasly voted out because of its subject matter. They are simply stating what the media are being prevented from saying by the Governments of today.

(In fact, I've never EVER been this philosophical before...)(I think I like Israel's entry too much...)(And no, I'm not from there, I'm Chinese)


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THE COLD WAR IS NOT OVER. (and the spoiler below)


Ok, not exactly. But not even the contrary. The cold war is over and the term cold war has nothing to do with nuclears. The term refers to the sociopolitical aspect that followed the WWII, mostly between America and Russia. Noawdays, americans and russians alike roam the world freely. So, in the strict sens, the cold war is over.

That the majority of the nations have nuclear weaponry, means little. Mostly, it should be noted that for each nuclear warhead in the world, there are 3 anti-nuclear warheads. Practicaly, fears for the possibility of a global nuclear devastation, are mostly void. the fact is that if a nation launched even a single warhead, this would be eliminated in safe distnace from planet earth, and the nation would suffer the wrath of both Americans and Europeans...

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Instead of two superpowers it is the little countries taking over. The western countries vote for the eastern ones simply out of political reasons. There is still tension in the countries even though the politicians have openly denounced that.


Hmmm... have you ever thought that the major countries actually want the little countries to elevate? Consider this. If the EU would help turkey rise and progress, then the 700,000 turks that each year imigrate to Germany and amplify the problems of its economy, would instead remain in Turkey.

Many wonder why America has not invaded Cuba yet. The reason is simple. It is not because the cannot, but because after having captured it, the resources needed to elevate Cuba to the American level, would vastly outnumber the benefits of the act. Consider this: For the moment, America has the right to say "No Cubans in America". If Cuba is conquered, practicaly they have to open the doors to the poor citizens (or get in bad terms with the other civilized countries).

A very similar concept, occurs in Europe. neither the "big" countries want to devastate the "small", neither the contrary. Not even the opposite (:P). What Germany, France and the others want, is to be able to increase commerce and do profitable (for all) actions. But any single thing those countries try, gets countered by the inability of the small countries to keep up. An example? The Euro. UK had a strong coin by itself, and needed not to change. The change was profitable for the major countries. Smaller countries had no choice. but instead of being helped by the introduction to the Eurozone, they suffered, because they had no means to restabilize their economy after the change. In Greece, in less than six months, most products were raised in price by 50%. In Albania, even proffessional jobs, such as this of the teacher and the lawyer, were ruined, and economy went to a point of absolute stasis.

You can easily deduct the consequences by following the stock market: Nowdays, the activity in the stock market of european countries is practicaly frozen. People do not invest, and those who do, either fail or manage to make meager profits.

The various contests and Intereuropean activities are means to boost the sufering economies and elevate the problem of socioeconomical lockdown.

In short, they are not the "small" countries that plot to undermine the "big" ones, but the "big" ones that have many reasons to help the rest progress. To put it simply: If eurovision was held in germany, they would make a profit, alright, maybe 0.0001$ of their anual profit. But Bulgary or Greece, pacticaly elevated their economy based on these events. From the time the abovementioned events took place in Greece, the rate of immigration to other countries dropped drasticaly!

Now, let's talk about a country that really creates problems to Europe. Take China. Most eastern eutopean countires have problems with mass production. Suddenly, a country with vast facilities leteraly invades those countries with products that cost half, or even one fourth of what the local ones cost. And even in that point, it is not China's fault. China only wishes to make a profit, and getting a hold of the western economy, was the only logical thing to do. But what how does Europe react?

Instead of closing the borders, the same way the Canadians did, they make contracts on how to accomodate things. And yes, even this, is not a bad thing to do. For all the progress China has made, it still has many problems, mostly due to overpopulation. This would be fine with me. China has the right to promote its goods wherever it wishes. But where is market control? Ok, let them sell their goods in Europe, but why let them do it freely, without taxation, without a lowerbound for price, and without the proper authorization? In short, I do not have any problem with the Chinese, I have problem with the goverment, either local or european, that does not imposes the same limits to everyone.

(In case you are really Chinese, then please, accept my apologies and let me know so as to remove any possible offence.)

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Israel's entry was viciously and biasly voted out because of its subject matter. They are simply stating what the media are being prevented from saying by the Governments of today


First of all, in my opinion, no member outside of the European Union, should have the right to be part of its activities. That means that Turkey, Israel and others, until they meet the basic European Standards (this means no public executions, no war mongering with negibours, no political systems that offend humanity), they should be left out.

Aside that, there comes a dillema. You can let eveyone state whatever he wishes, and fear a political collision, or you can control the flow of information, and be called a fascist. Sincerely, I opt for the second. Why? because whoever really wants to know the truth, he can find it. For the others, since they do not bother anyway, best leave them to their serenity.

Why tell a hothead cmunist about the cons of capitalism, if he will never bother to see the pros? Knowledge is futile without understanding. What I hate most, is political activists that see only what they want to see. The fascist proclaiming that not a single jew was slain in Germany (not all fascists do so), the comunist proclaming that freedom comes only through America's destruction (not all comunists do so), the Jew claming boons from Germany (not all Jews do so), the Anarchist that proclaims that man needs no organization (ok, all anarchs do so :P), etc.

(NOTE: If any of my words are ofensive to one of the members of this comunity, I apologize and promise to restate all such parts. Remember, it is vastly different offending an activity, from offending people. in the majority of my words, I did the former. My apologies for whoever was harmed by any instances of the later.)

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:55 am 
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Devant wrote:
(In case you are really Chinese, then please, accept my apologies and let me know so as to remove any possible offence.)

frost_maze wrote:
(And no, I'm not from there, I'm Chinese)

*Hint* *hint* :wink:

ANYWAY, I just wanted to say that was a VERY interesting read. I have nothing to say and I only created this thread to create something light and frothy but heavily caffeinated and strong-blended is fine. :P

(Just to say, I am not offended in any way. I'm fine with it because I know the problems of that and this, etc, etc. I suspect my grand-parents and parents would get severely offended but they can't read English very well at all. So it's all fine)


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Oh, and I am personally very interested in the Cold War. It's the only 'war' that I've ever enjoyed studying. Unfortunately, we skipped over it in around 3 weeks. :(

That was severely sad. I know that it wasn't just the nuclear stuff that caused the cold war and stuff but one of the main contributors to the Cold War lasting that long was because nobody wanted to cause open war.

Sometimes, I wish I was older so that I could have actually experienced the tensions myself but I'm not so I can't.

And on the Israel's song thing, it is called EUROvision for a reason: it is for Europe, otherwise it would be called EUvision or EuroUnioVision or something. I don't know. Don't look at me. I just think it should win because it is so damn funny. (If you don't take it seriously in any way whatsoever and cannot understand hebrew/arabic/whatever the language was in the second half).


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That was severely sad. I know that it wasn't just the nuclear stuff that caused the cold war and stuff but one of the main contributors to the Cold War lasting that long was because nobody wanted to cause open war.


Eheheh! Let me express a rather short and personal opinion: it was not because nobody wanted to cause open war that the cold war was given life, but because nobody wanted to cause "open peace".

It would be like passing over what one nation did to another, and losing the possibility to claim boons. if ti wasn't for the Soviet's Union political destruction, the cold war would have endured decades to come...

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