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I've never played, but why not just learn to play the guitar for REAL...?

<<Split from here. - Therum>>

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I've won the 100k DD bet so many times, I should have the title "Mr. Luck"

Maybe because playing Guitar Hero and playing real guitar are two entirely seperate things that aren't even all that similar?

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To answer your question moreso than Therum did, Guitar Hero isn't a Guitar sim. It's a video game. You don't get a score when you finish a song with a guitar. And when guitarists play the game, they're trying as hard as they can to dismiss it as stupid, and will play a few songs on easy. Now people who don't play guitar simply enjoy the novelty of "playing guitar," so they continue to play. This is how it was for me. But I picked up real guitar after getting to hard, and enjoy both. But on hard and especially expert, the game changes entirely. Take Through the Fire and the Flames for instance. I've played that song A LOT. Because I love getting my score up, and perfecting it. You don't get a multiplier in real guitar. That's the thing, people who play real guitar dismiss it when playing through easy a little. So before you say "go learn to play real guitar instead," get to hard, maybe even expert, and tell me how much you like it, and whether or not you still feel like you're wasting your time.

That is all.

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On a side note, why not become a warrior and kill dragons for real!

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That's my point. Instead of spending so much time playing this game, buy a real guitar and learn to play it. Then, you can impress people by playing songs without the help of a gaming system and and a television.

THAT was my point.

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I've won the 100k DD bet so many times, I should have the title "Mr. Luck"

Your point is the same as saying "Why play Twilight Heroes? You could be playing a real guitar instead." Guitar hero is just a video game, which, like most other video games, is just an enjoyable time sink. It's nothing more than that.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. People playing GH are under no illusion that they can actually play guitar. I don't want to play guitar. I want to play a game.

Following this advice, I went out at 11 last night, wearing tights, short shorts, a cape, and a nerf gun. I followed some dude for about an hour, and he ended up at this real shady house. Sensing that I could make the world better, I smashed my way through the window, and shot the place up.
I am speaking this in to a speach-to-text program in a hospital.
My plan was a poor one.

Oh, I didn't forget Trogdor, but the list was getting a tad unwieldy, so I didn't bother listing it.


Then your point was completely idiotic.

You said "you should play real guitar." I said "Guitar Hero and real guitar are nothing alike." You said "exactly, so you should play real guitar."

That doesn't make any sense.

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How does that not make sense? It's completely logical.

-You should play the guitar.
-The guitar and Guitar Hero aren't the same.
-You should play the guitar.

Your comment had nothing to do with the logic behing my comment. Whether or not you agree has nothing to do with my completely logical comment. Just because you people don't agree with a comment doesn't make the comment itself illogical and "stupid".

Grow the hell up, guys.

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I've won the 100k DD bet so many times, I should have the title "Mr. Luck"

I think the point is that, since they are different, bringing up real guitar is irrelevant.

"I like Guitar Hero."
"You should play a real guitar."
"They're different things."
"You should still play a real guitar."


"I like Guitar Hero."
"You should play a trumpet."
"They're different things."
"You should still play a trumpet."


"I like Guitar Hero."
"You should play chess."
"They're different things."
"You should still play chess."


"I like Guitar Hero."
"You should build a house."
"They're different things."
"You should still build a house."

If they're different things, and you agree that they're different things, then why bring up the guitar at all? It's a non-sequitur, by your own admission. Since it's a non-sequitur, the only reason to bring it up is to denigrate people who play Guitar Hero (note: I have never played, and have no interest in it), and to imply they think it's something it isn't.

If I started a thread talking about Ace Combat 6, would you tell me to play the guitar? Would you tell me to join the Air Force and become a real fighter pilot so I could "impress people by [flying jets] without the help of a gaming system and [...] a television"?

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Guitar Hero is similar to the guitar. Chess, the trumpet, and building a house are NOT similar to Guitar Hero.

Making that comparison is irrelivent.

Guitar Hero mimicks the guitar. My point simply being this: instead of playing a game that mimicks the guitar and learning how to play the song on a "guitar" that uses buttons and a gaming system, why not just learn to play the songs on a REAL guitar and learn a new skill?

My God! Why is that so hard to comprehend?

[Side Note: If you could fly the jet, I would be more impressed then whether you could play a jet-flying game.]

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I've won the 100k DD bet so many times, I should have the title "Mr. Luck"

You know that saying "there's no such thing as a stupid question"? It's true. There are, however, stupid answers. Refer to CS' activity in this thread for examples.

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So you also think that:
- instead of playing FIFA (or similar games) people should learn to play soccer?
- instead of playing NHL (or similar games) people should learn to play ice hockey?
- instead of playing Gran Turismo (or similar games) people should learn how to race?

Those are similar and therefore the comparison is relevant.

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Here's where your logic falls apart.


When, in your first post, you said:


So, the issue here is that you are assuming that playing Guitar Hero is similar to playing a real guitar.

This is entirely false.

And since I've, you know, actually played Guitar Hero, and I've also played my share of the actual guitar, I think I know more about that subject than you do.

Guitar Hero has five main buttons. Each of these buttons mimics a fret, sure, and the positions you put your hand in mimics various hand positions from a real guitar, but the neck's similarities end there, because, you see, Guitar Hero has five fret buttons, and a real guitar has, what, twenty-two frets? And these buttons mimic the frets, I haven't even gone into how a guitar has six strings. This is a feature Guitar Hero doesn't mimic.

And there is a strum bar, but it's a toggle. It's like a lightswitch.

So if you want to tell me playing the guitar is like Guitar Hero, I want you to acknowledge, right here, right now, that six strings is the same thing as a lightswitch.

That's what I thought.

You can't put distortion on a Guitar Hero guitar. You can use a whammy bar, sure, but only about ten percent of the time.

And you can't play songs. The buttons only loosely correspond to actual notes, most of the times the songs consist of various patterns strung together. Once again, there is no precision, there are no strings, there are only five frets which only loosely correspond to the frets of an actual guitar.

No, what Guitar Hero is is a rock star simulator. The Guitar Hero doesn't mimic real songs, it allows you to play patterns that are read in the software and trigger specific, predetermined sound bytes with almost no variation. You can't simulate the precision or skill to play a real guitar. GH has its own type of skill and precision, but it's completely different.

What Guitar Hero does mimic is the feeling of being awesome. The feeling of being up on stage, the crowd cheering, and you're just the coolest goddamned guy in the world.

And if you tell me, as I suspect you might, "exactly, it's a guitar simulator. It's simulating the feeling of playing guitar on stage," well, that's ridiculous, because you appear to be a guitar player, and I know for a fact that a.) you're not a rock star, and b.) you're not the coolest goddamned guy in the world.

In conclusion: You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You really should just shut up.

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"Similar" is not "same".

Forget it. No point trying to be logical with people who are reading far too much into a simple, damn comment.

Geez...

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I've won the 100k DD bet so many times, I should have the title "Mr. Luck"

And once again:

You have never played Guitar Hero.

I have played both Guitar Hero and a real guitar.

I am right. You are wrong. You lack the knowledge to say they are similar. Right now you're making yourself look like an idiot because you're acting like you know what you're talking about when you don't.

There's a reason every single person who has posted here has disagreed with you. It's because you're wrong.

So admit your damn mistake and stop acting like you know what you're talking about.

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I was going to drop it, but fine.

"Right" and "wrong" differ from point of view.

Defining right and wrong is impossible unless it's been scientifically proven by empirical means. Guitar Heroes vs. the Guitar is far from being scientifically proven.

Just because I've never played doesn't mean I lack the knowlege. I know how it's played and the mechanics behind it. I've watched people play it. I'm not stupid.

I'm not admiting a damn thing. I don't think I'm wrong. I made a simple friggin' comment, and you all freaked out about it.

I will say this one more time and drop it: learning to do anything FOR REAL (as opposed to learning to play it in real life) is better and more impressive. Some things are hard to learn in real life. The guitar is not. My question was why not just learn to play the friggin' guitar for real and learn a new skill? My initial comment was meant to pose an the concept of learning the real guitar instead of spending so much time to playing the game.

I, for one, play Mario games alot. If it were possible to become a plumber who goes to a Mushroom Kingdom to fight a large dragon-like monster who's captured a Princess, that'd be different. That is impossible. Playing the guitar is not.

I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of brick walls.

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I've won the 100k DD bet so many times, I should have the title "Mr. Luck"

Us? Brick walls?

You've never played Guitar Hero.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

And you refuse to admit you're wrong to the people who do know what they're talking about.

That's being a brick wall.

EDIT: You think we give a shit about being impressive? I play Guitar Hero because it's ten thousand times more fun than any other video game I own, not because I care about being impressive.

Jesus, you're delusional.

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I think that the overall point here is being completely missed.

This thread has a purpose. That purpose is not, in fact, discussing the realism of GH games, nor is it to comment on whether one should play the guitar in real life. The purpose is to discuss which difficulty setting one uses when playing the game. Setting aside the fact that someone who doesn't play really has no reason to post here other than to troll, comments that don't contribute to the original intention of the thread or attempt to steer it back towards said intention are out of place.

.:The 3 makes a point. Therum is gonna split off the discussion into a seperate thread --Neo:.

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This topic is going to be closely monitored. If it starts to get out of hand, it'll be locked. Just giving a warning.

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Wtf? What Corrupt said makes no sense at all.

I do play Guitar and i do own Guitar Hero. Sometimes you just want to have fun and play a viedo game. And my experience is that GH is played for fun. Nothing serious. Learning to play the guitar takes time and dedication. Why cant people enjoy a damn freaking game if they cant or dont want to learn to play the guitar. Using the GH guitar, youll see it has nothing to do with a real guitar. It has 5. Its made in a simple form and so people enjoy playing it. Tell me, would you enjoy playing a game?

Your Comparision: Why do you play Guitar Hero when you can play real guitar is like saying Why do you have fun with the computer when you can have fun in the real world? Why do you play Twilight Heroes when you can be a real hero? pfft cmon.

i never knew people had such strong opinions about guitar hero until this little thread came along. how about we all agree to disagree about GH vs. real guitar? has any real progress been made other than everyone saying the corruptshadow is wrong and apparently delusional? not really. this isn't really that big of a deal, folks. cs had an opinion on the game guitar hero, and he shared it. isn't that kind of what forums are for? being able to share opinions and thoughts?

You'd be surprised. After Yahtzee reviewed GH3, the thread for that video was full of people bitching about real guitars and people bitching at the bitchers.

I'm sure it's been going on since the first was released.

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--October Project: "Dark Time"

I see where CS is coming from. Personally I HATE it when people make the comparison, but his logic makes much more sense than saying "Go fly a plane instead of playing Ace Combat." It's a little more reasonable to play guitar in your spare time as opposed to video games than to fly a plane in your spare time as opposed to video games. It's all about which one you enjoy more. Personally, I'd rather play Guitar Hero III than play real guitar. Therefore I will probably play more Guitar Hero III than real guitar. But some people would rather play guitar than play Guitar Hero. What would you do if I said "Why play real guitar? Instead of wasting your time doing that, you could be having more fun playing Guitar Hero." Be reasonable people, this doesn't need to turn into a flame-war.

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I think the stance of where people are coming from on this is that playing a guitar takes much more time (relative of course, but just saying) than loading up GH. That and GH is pretty much instant full on song playing. Not to mention much easier to grasp than learning a real guitar. Probably.

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Okay, after playing Guitar Hero III (for the Wii), I will recant and say that it was a pretty entertaining game.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the best game ever, but it was fun. I did hear that Rock Star is a better game though...

While I know I'm not playing the real songs, I feel like I'm rockin' out. It makes me want to learn the real songs... if only I didn't have huge gorilla paws for hands...

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I've won the 100k DD bet so many times, I should have the title "Mr. Luck"