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Combat has been changed a bit, especially ranged weapons.

*Ranged weapons do not benefit from any strength bonus.

*However, with increasing reflexes you'll begin to get multiple attacks per round. Each attack has its own chance to hit/miss so you may hit a lot, miss a lot, or something in between.

* The maximum number of attacks is capped at 8, when you've got very high reflexes (920). So it's a pretty broad range.

* If you hit multiple times, the first hit does full damage for the weapon power, and subsequent hits do a little less than full. (I feel a little odd about this complexity, but it seemed to balance the damage best against ranged weapons.)

* Elemental damage is still only applied once, even if you hit multiple times.

* There are now three types of item bonuses that affect normal damage: +melee damage (which is melee only), +ranged damage (ranged only, obviously), and +weapon damage (affects your weapon whether it's ranged or melee)

* For melee weapons, the calculation has been tweaked a touch to do slightly more damage as your strength increases.

Hehehe, awesome.

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Interesting.

Shame there's no ranged weapon that absorbs PP, else I might switch from my morning star.


Also regarding this multiple hits concept, +1 hit might be an interesting enchantment. And does +x% hit rate affect all hits? Equally?

It's virtually guaranteed to show up sooner or later.


Yep. Each to-hit roll is exactly the same as all the others, and the bonus helps with all of them.

Aww... I was hoping for multiple lines...

Of course, the rail gun's still pretty awesome:

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Double post for gleet justice!

Yeah...

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I knew someone was going to throw the manual at me ... and then I forgot to change it. Fixed.

I threw the manual at you a week ago!

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Just to clarify, as it seems a common question, when you see something like "You hit 8 times for 65 +8 damage", that's a total of 73 damage, not 528, right?

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Correct. Damage ranges radically based on the number of hits, and it took several attacks to kill one of the row vs. wade enemies, who would've otherwise been killed in 1-2 attacks if it was multiplied by the number of hits.

I like the change! However, the formula seems to be a bit strange (or it's just me who's not getting it) since I've many times (in the same battle against the same foe) hit for more damage with an attack with two less hits. E.g. 3 hits damage more than 5 hits (no criticals)

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I've heard this from other players too.

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The actual damage calculation is essentially identical to the previous equation -- with a melee weapon the range can vary a lot, too. I'll check to make sure there isn't a bug, but I'd be more inclined to suspect RNG.

Probably RNG-screwage but it happened so many times I got curious.
(I had ca 372 reflexes and used the rail gun if that makes any difference and patrolled in the pit)

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What about critical hits? Does one affect every shot your ranged weapon takes in that round, or can each attack in said round get a respective crit?

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sweet, ranged weapons have always seemed a bit weak to me.

Um... before this, they were exactly the same as melee...

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Does this multiple hit system increase the chance of an attack not missing?

Well, it's essentially ~8 attacks (or however many your reflexes allow). So, for those of us who can't always get a good hit chance, ranged might be a better choice, since we have 8 chances to get a hit in, as opposed to the all or nothing single melee attacks. I would guess that the chance of each hit is probably calculated a bit differently than a regular melee hit, but perhaps not.